Oct 11

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After some (way too much) delay, I’m here writing a post.  I feel I spend a lot of time apologizing for my absence every time I post because it sometimes takes me a month to say something new.  This time I have a pretty good excuse:  I HAVE NO COMPUTER.  Sadly, I’ve managed to trash yet another laptop.  The power supply on the motherboard is toast and I have no money to replace it.  This leaves me with little opportunity to visit with all of you.

I’d like to start by saying thank you to everyone who wished me a happy birthday.  I’m sorry I wasn’t able to see your comments until now.  It is true, I’m 31…and no, you’re right, I’m not going bald…

I think I’ll elaborate a bit on Isaac’s post (welcome to the world of posting on the site, Isaac).  This has been quite the complex journey as of late.  As was mentioned in the last post, we’ve been talking to some pretty impressive people in the industry.  Responses have been very positive, but we have seen quite a bit of resistance when it comes to actually making the commitment to give us the much desired “greenlight”.

The primary concern expressed still remains the length.  Our team has done numerous passes to shorten the script while still maintaining the integrity of what was originally put to paper during my nightmarish two-year writing process.  We eventually reached a point of critical mass in which it became clear that to cut any more without a restructuring was going to ultimately break the script in a very big way.

This process has been profoundly difficult for me.  I’ve spent a massive amount of time and energy constructing the initial draft of the script.  For a while, I was more than happy to cut elements to bring it down from its insane 345 page existence.  Further passes with all partners offering input helped to cut it even more.  While I was resistant to lose certain things, I truly felt the script became more concise and stronger for the cuts.

Even after meeting the page-count requirement of a major producer (sort of.  we were within 15 pages), we were told we needed to cut even more and bring it down to the standard 120 pages.  This sent us into another frenzied attempt to cut the script further.  This is where things became really painful for me.  I was starting to see things dropping out that I was very proud to have written.  Unfortunately, that is the nature of the game.  You always hear of writers talking about having to “kill their babies”.  Never have I understood this concept in a the way I do now.

I got to a point where I had to step back and take a break.  I left town for a weekend and let Patrick, Jason and Yale take a stab at some proposed restructuring.  In the time I was gone, they came up with what I felt were some pretty elegant solutions for shortening and restructuring the first act.  The trouble is that they hit a wall once they moved into the second act of the story.  It started to become clear that every scene was so dependent on the scenes before them to fully express the character development and story advancements, that cutting one thing just meant another scene making very little sense.  Now, I argue that this is an example of good writing.  The fact that every scene is there for a reason.  My partners have expressed as much to me, too.  Unfortunately, this makes the process of cutting it down almost impossible.

We made the decision to hire a script consultant to review the script and aid us in discovering ways in which we could a) shorten it while maintaining the integrity of the story and characters, and b) ensure it is as marketable as possible to the powers that be in Hollywood.

After a month of waiting, I found myself on the phone with the consultant ready to take suggestions and notes.  With Patrick by my side, I listened patiently as the script was analyzed and critiqued.  Some of the notes I had expected.  Some were very good points that none of us had recognized before.  Unfortunately, the notes became something completely unexpected and wholly painful for me as the conversation went on.  The basic note was that the script needed to be entirely restructured and rewritten from page one.  The analyst felt that the script would simply not be marketable in today’s climate.  She felt it needed to offer a more escapist experience and needed stronger action and fantasy elements to entice both producers and audiences.

As you can imagine, this was really difficult for me to hear after two years of slaving away to write something I really believed in.  My initial thought was that she had just recommended that we sell-out and make a bad action/adventure picture, a la National Treasure.  There was much talk of the need for a “quest”.  I could hear some really good points being made, and some legitimate concerns being raised about the structure and nature of things in the script, but I just couldn’t get on board with the notion of rewriting the entire thing from beginning to end.

After some discussion with my partners, it became clear that we really have very little choice but to offer some more “action”.  I completely understand the concerns some of you hold in regard to this prospect.  I personally believe in the script we all came to consensus on before we were told to cut it to 120 pages.  Unfortunately, what I believe in is of little relevance when you’re looking for $100 to $150 million to finance a film.  Films of this scale, of this budget, simply do not get made unless they can appeal to the largest audience possible.  A complex character drama set against the backdrop of an ethereal underground society is just a bit too heady for a general audience.  Those elements can be present and even prominent, but there has to be enough of the neat stuff that goes boom to satisfy an audience member that isn’t interested in character and just wants to see a cool story with interesting events.  That is the nature of Hollywood.  That being said, it is our responsibility to maintain the essence, intelligence and legitimacy of BoT, while still creating a film that will satisfy the marketplace sufficiently.

I, while recognizing the necessity of these changes, have felt the effects of the cuts and alterations in the depths of my soul.  I’ve become very attached to the work I’ve done, and it’s been agonizing to realize that it will not be what eventually makes it to the screen.  It will be an amalgamation of what I have written and the new ideas that are being hashed out by my partners as I write this.

I’ve come to realize that I have no real perspective on the script anymore.  I cannot unwed myself from the work I’ve done in the way it is required for these changes to occur.  I’ve found myself being defensive and difficult in the face of proposed changes.  I’ve been frustrated and heartbroken.  It became clear to me that it was time for me to step back.  I cannot participate in the initial phases of restructuring in a way that is going to be productive and helpful.  I just believe too strongly in what we had come to before our notes from the analyst and always will.  I think it would have been a great film.  That isn’t to say that the script can only be good in one form.  I firmly believe that this amalgamation is both necessary (business wise) and holds the potential to be a great film as well.  It will simply be a different film than I had always envisioned BoT being.

I am leaving it to my skilled and creative partners to break down and rebuild the script in a way that will offer it its greatest chances at being produced.  I will wait patiently on the sidelines to see what they come up.  I hope to rejoin the process and help to actually write the changes into the script once these story and structure meetings are complete.  Hopefully, with some time away and not being privy to the discussions (which sometimes begin with absolutely ridiculous ideas before being molded into solid concepts) will help me to see this new form the script will take as something exciting and promising.

It’s hard to let go.  It’s hard to not be in the room, but I firmly believe that I can be of the best help by staying out of the way right now.  I have no doubt that what comes out of these meetings will prove to be both intelligent and compelling.  Every person working on this project has earned their position by consistently offering solid, respectable input.

That is enough for now.  I can’t promise when I’ll have the opportunity to write again.  Be well, and don’t panic too much.  We’re all still committed to making the best Myst film we can.

Posted at 2:18 am by Adrian in collaborators, communications, planning, script
129 others write,
  • Heya Adrian.

    I guess that’s just the way things roll. Let’s face it, your “average consumer” wouldn’t want to go see The Book of Tiana if it was a straight adaption. Things are gonna have to change.

    But I think maybe that’s a good thing. A wider-appeal movie will spread Myst round to more people. If it’s a success, that means more creative freedom in the future, more opportunities for films like FTP, and probably more freedom if you want to tackle BoA or BoD. And yeah, I understand how you’re attached to your script. Man, it sounded awesome. But… that’s just not the kind of movie you’re able to make. The cinema doesn’t want you the straight BoA. Your job is to take what made BoA special and adapt it, translate it, modify it into something mainstream. And yeah it sucks and yeah, I sure wish you could have made the movie your script described. But don’t think of it as having to change your old script and kill your baby. Just think of it as a new script, a new project. Because that’s essentially what it is.

    A good movie that’s not exactly the BoA is better than a squashed up, lengthy, unwatched movie that is. And that, in turn, is better than no movie at all.

    In any case, I and all the other Myst fans around the world will watch it and love it, even if it’s not the same film you set out to write all those years ago. It’ll still be Myst. It’ll still be the Book of Tiana. And we’re going to love it.

  • Wow. Sounds like a lots going on! Glad to hear from you again Adrian. I’m sure this restructuring is gonna work out just fine! I’m so looking forward to the day when Myst comes to the silver screen! :)

  • Thestrangeredreply

    This movie cannot fail, guys. Yes, it’s not your regular “explosions and car chases” movie, but you have to show them that a movie can be built on mystery and suspense.

  • Thestrangeredreply

    Make the interesting scenes (Anna’s hearing, Veovis and A’gaeris first meeting) extremly mysterious and tense.

    Make the action scenes (fall of D’ni, Aitrus saving Veovis, Veovis trying to kill Aitrus) longer.

    This, I strongly believe, will work.

  • From experience as a composer, practicality and idealism sometimes seem mutually exclusive. However, I think of revisions, even those required by someone else, as opportunities instead of compromises. I am almost always able to use them to bring my works even closer to perfection.

  • The most important here is the Mystessence of your script. Just let the words, the sentences, the ambientation and the action do the rest! We all are commited with your job. You are great Adrian.Your are making the impossible be possible! thanks.

  • That sounded really sad. :( Maybe you can include the original script online after the film is released? In the DVD? Anywhere? I’m sorry. I know how attached you were to that and how much we all wanted to see it.

  • Don’t worry, it can’t be worse than the golden compass adaption. If I had seen that at the theater like I planned I would’ve had to walk out of there in protest. Doubt it will happen with BoT. :mrgreen:
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    Go buy a notebook and participate in NaNoWriMo!

  • Hey there. Long time listener, first time caller.

    First off, from one writer to another, I’m so, so sorry that Hollywood’s decided to tarnish your script by suggesting you add more action to it. For that, you have my deepest sympathies.

    Second off, Hollywood is hurting right now, and it’s because of their own doings. This decade, they’ve been notorious on feeding the masses a plethora of remakes, sequals and familiar franchises, and hardly any of it (with the exceptions of Transformers 2, Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies, and G.I.Joe and a few others that I’m sure I’ve neglected to mention) have made any real impressions on the general audience because it’s the same stuff over and over again. They won’t let the creativity juices flow in talented writers because they’re too scared that it won’t make any money, and yet, they’ll greenlight a ton of movies like Jennifer’s Body Dragonball Z and Street Fighter, which have made barely anything in box office recipts. And then they wonder why their industry is hurting. So don’t let the Hollywood insiders discourage you from producing the script that you want to because…

    Thirdly, Spike Jones did not compromise with Hollywood when he co-write and directed Where the Wild Things Are. It took him six years, and Warner Bros. dropped him because his vision wasn’t “marketable,” but he moved forward, found a new studio, and HIS vision–not the studio’s vision–is coming to the big screen on Friday, and it looks simply amazing.

    So, I guess what I’m saying is don’t Hollywood your script up just because they said to. They know nothing about the business anymore and their constant reshuffling of studio heads and scrambling to get easy-to-digest movies on the big screen asap in hopes of making (and failing at) making an easy dollar really proves this.

    I wish you guys the best of luck. :)

  • Well….this is less promising than the post before.

  • Thestrangeredreply

    I think the best thing you could do is send us a a little part of the script with the “action make-over”. If we like it, you know you should go this way, if we don’t, we could give you tips on how to improve it.

  • Robert The Rebuilderreply

    If I were you guys, I’d just bait and switch. Keep that original script hidden until this new script is approved. Then make the movie you want.

    [This is probably why I am not - and can never be - in the movies business.]

  • I know you guys are probably not open to any outside feedback at this point, but I always thought some “action” elements from BofA and BofD could be appropriately adapted for Book of Ti’ana. Catherine’s Torus World, or the exploration suit that links straight into a star in BofD, for starters. It would still be within the Myst universe, and as writers you should feel at liberty to create new scenarios that fit in the framework. Just know that we’re all psyched for your accomplishments thus far!

  • Oh, this update makes everything sound so much more troubled. I should have read the other second!

    Keep at it guys! There has got to be a way around all this. And there is a lot of support from fans too. :) I also think a brake from looking at the script and trying to change it will help too. People always say that to take a break, and then look back at your work gives you a new perspective on things.

  • I’m sorry to hear that. I would feel very awkward/torn if someone took one of my artistic projects, and mangled it to appeal to shallow consumer interests as opposed to the essential art. Less story, more shiny tinfoil.

    However, I’m sure that the other members of your team will do a fine job, and that they’ll put as much care and creativity as they can into the process of making it marketable, without scooping out its insides and substituting it with the shallow garbage you would get from Hollywood.

    Don’t ever let Hollywood take the project away from you. As you said, its your baby, and Hollywood is a gigantic, monstrous pedophile.

    Good luck!

  • I feel for you Adrian. Much respect to you for loving your creation enough to step back for a bit. It’s not much fun from a fan’s standpoint to think that Hollywood isn’t ready for this story the way we know and love it, but I also have faith that talented folks such as yourselves have come too far to let this worthy project either a) die or b) be warped into something other than what it deserves to be. You’ll get there. Take a deep breath and keep the faith. We’re behind you.

  • JaceyK: Hear, hear! f**k Hollywood.
    I felt sadness in my heart as well, when I read your post, Adrian. I’m sorry for you. But I still believe this will be the movie of the decade. of the century! Well, I’m trying to say that I totally trust you guys to give us a more than fantastic movie.

  • If you get it out next year, it can be movie of the 2000′s ;) But I doubt that will happen.

  • Adrian – Your post saddened me…I truly felt your anguish, turmoil & pain in your words. I must tell you a story, don’t worry it won’t be too long but I want to offer you a bit of hope. 11 years ago, or more, my husband, Tony (your biggest fan), used to sit up late at night playing Myst, till all hours of the night. This was when we had the smallest house and the computer was in our bedroom and we had just had our first child. He would talk and talk about this game and how fun it was, how it would just keep him hooked and he just loved playing it. He loved the story line! He would say how he couldn’t wait until the next game would come out. And of course, every time it would, we would have to upgrade our computer! Then the madness would start all over again! He often talked about how awesome it would be if this game was a movie – yes a movie!! Even his friends commented on how that would be the best movie ever made. Certainly, time has passed and when he heard you guys were going to try to make it a movie, that was like the biggest thing – people are so excited for you! I want you to know that we have been following this site since the beginning. We think of you & your team often. We want you to know that we support you, we pray for you and are asking God to help you and give you wisdom on this journey. Our words to you are DON’T GIVE IN! Press in and move upwards! You must persevere! You can do it, Adrian – you have come so far. If this is the desire of your heart, then I truly believe it will happen in the manner that it is to be. We are praying for you and believe that it will come to fruition!! The “right people” and the “right doors” will be opened for your behalf. You have got to BELIEVE!! We do!

    Tony, Sonja & Sivana Allen
    Euless, Texas

  • Sonja Allen: I should do that too! Oh the power of prayer! (hey I’m from Texas too, Corpus Christi)
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    I always used to say they should make a movie and boy did I jump and scream like a little girl when I heard about this. :)

  • Please keep going! There are many many people that would love this film, myself included. I am an aspiring writer and felt this post was brutally honest and reassuring, nothing great is done without hardship and trial. This idea of escapism is something that is overrated in my opinion. Meaning and the “why” of life is important, sure sure explosions are fun but if our whole society has regressed to the point of mindlessness then there would be no society. Great stories come from great artists. Good designs and solid thoughts.

  • Despite how difficult this has been for you, I hope you realize how much we all appreciate all the effort you have, and still are putting in to this.

  • JaceyK: I work for Warner Bros. And guess what? After seeing Spike Jonze’ vision, my studio supported him and gave him extra time and money to get it right. We didn’t drop him. He didn’t find another studio. We’re releasing it this Friday, and it’s my department that’s in charge of it. We’re all excited for it. I understand the point of your post, but don’t falsely slander my company, who is making good creative decisions.

  • Ryan, you’re absolutely right, and I apologize. I read the information in Entertainment Weekly, and after going through it a second time, it said Universal dropped it, not Warner Bros.

  • Wow. I have to agree that I wish I saved the other post for last because this one leaves me feeling down. Remember that post from Patrick a few months ago that sent everyone into a short frenzy? This post has the same feeling, but on a much deeper and saddening level. It feels like a good bye!

    I’ve never been involved with something this big, so I can’t truly identify with what you’re going through, but I certainly do understand and support you 100%. I’ve had to give up on many personal visions in my time (woot… you posted this on my 27th birthday :) ), and it does hurt. You seem confident with your fellows, so that has to be comforting. In the end this will all be worth it. It may not be exactly what you wanted, but that’s the nature of the beast. When the movie is said and done you can be proud of what you’ve accomplished in spite of it all and we’ll all be there with you! (Though if you do cast someone like Megan Fox I may just have to stage a protest!)

    P.S. I would kill to see Where the Wild Things Are this weekend! I’ve loved that story for soooo long. Being on unemployment SUCKS! In fact, I may need to start a savings fund now so I can afford to see BoT when it does finally come out… unless you hold a premier event for all of us groupies. :D (… or just host Mysterium at the same place!!)

  • I’m really sorry to see this happen to you guys. What I don’t understand is that many Indies become very successful on their own. Why not this one? I guess you need some cute large-eyed talking furry animal which gets kidnapped. (If this was mentioned before, my apologies)

  • Rik: In answering your question, this movie isn’t an Indie movie. this is an 100%, genuine, blockbuster, hollywood movie with all the works! As far as creepy furry animals, I think that the squees would count….. :lol: ;)
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    anyway, It is good to hear from you guys again. I had the feeling something big was going on behind the scenes. I only wish it was news of a bit happier sense. I too am really sorry you guys are having to go through the script like that…. you have my condolences…. :( *tear*
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    I guess I can understand the whole action desire from Hollywood. But the thing that I personally love about the whole Myst franchise is the sense of mystery and grandure to is. In the games and in the books as well, the center factor that i loved was how it all centered around the exploration of these wonderous worlds that go beyond the imagination. I’m not sure how Action scenes will still go with that center, but i’m pretty sure that if anyone can do it, it is you guys! Good luck! Don’t give up! and keep your eyes to the heavens!!!!!! :) *thumbs up*

  • laughingpineapplereply

    I’m sorry Adrian, I’m really sorry for what you must be going through.
    And. No darnit, not action, no no Hollywood no. Not a different vision. You can’t be asking this, Hollywood. NononononononoNO.

  • myst movie: Do you really think thats a good name you’ve chosen for yourself? I’m just saying your on the Myst movie website and your name is…….so uh, yeah. :)
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    You know Its wierd how some movies sneak up on you and others you hear about a year or more before their released. The first Transformers being one they advertised way before it came out and Where the Wild Things Are being one I just heard about a week ago. Does that happen to anyone or know why that is?

  • I think those making Transformers had the money to advertise for such a long period before the movie actually came out. I guess it’s that way with all the movies that use huge budgets. If the budget is smaller, movie makers would only advertise just a few weeks before the movie, so they don’t have to pay to run commercials for very long. I have no idea if that’s why, but I think it could be the reason.

  • Wow you sound totally bummed. Heck, this post was akin to the conversations at Coldstones- “it’s not you it’s me.” Cheer up, take in the sun…errr, maybe rain as it is fall… anyway have a cook- no wait better yet have some cake! http://kotaku.com/036737/myst-island-cake-mod
    (Fight scene, explosions, and a car chase that goes through a glass window being carried across the street, static, more fight scenes) :-)

  • Hey man, I grew up playing Myst. One of my favorite games of all time. I just found out you guys were making the movie today, and believe me i’m totally stoked about this whole thing. I wish you the best of luck. Hope this turns out great.

  • The Games pale in comparison to the books! I always thought the story line, imagery, imagination and – yes – linking would make a GREAT movie. The D’ni civilization at the brink of distruction just because a young girl challenges the guilds. Good stuff if you can tell the story to an uninitiated generation of X-Box-ofiles.

    It is just another puzzle that you will have to get right to unlock their imagination.

  • The Lone Scribereply

    Adrian,
    I am sorry to hear about your frustration – I have some familiarity with the frustrations of the creative process, and I know that those frustrations can just about force one to walk away from something they have worked very hard on.
    What about this?
    The team continues working on the Blockbuster Myst Movie, while you quietly begin assembling people for an independent film based on the script as you originally intended it? It could have a separate blog, facebook page, etc., and maybe a fund could be established and all of these myst fanatics (with the possible exception of those that are unemployed – I am sorry to hear that) could help out financially. I for one think it would actually be fairly neat to have two versions of this movie – a somewhat jazzed up Hollywood version and a dedicated, fans-will-love-it version – and I would certainly contribute to help make it happen. I realize that this sounds impossible, but still I am interested to know – how many people following this blog would not prefer to see the original script, in all its glory, come to life? I know I would.

  • The Lone Scribe: excellent Idea!!!!!
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    Would a money order be ok?

  • Mabye they could do what Star Wars did and go back several years later and create a new version of the film that was more to the original vision,
    Only, I hope they don’t just add a few 5 second scenes and call it a new movie.

  • laughingpineapplereply

    I’d love to be able to buy the original script someday, that’s for sure. Both the original-original and the cut you were most satisfied with. :)
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    As for versions, there’s a fine… no, make that a thick line in adaptations outside of which I don’t even want to see a work I love on the silver screen, period. Here’s hoping it won’t be crossed.
    Blargh, Hollywood’s lack of vision drives me mad. Ti’ana is an entry point to the Myst lore, so it would have all the benefits of a known brand and none of the disadvantages. It could be the first major fantasy movie of a different kind, it could even pave the way for the growth of the genre. And they don’t want it. And consultants tell you to dumb it down. It’s frustrating: for the project, for you, and it’s embarrassing for the medium as a whole. As always, best of luck to all of you. :(

  • Were there some updates in 2004? I just saw that every month there now is filled in besides March and June.

  • I don’t mean to sound sarcastic or snarky here, but… could you give me an idea of just where the $100M – $150M figure comes from? Are you absolutely certain of this number? Is it possible that it’s this number that’s making it hard to sell the movie?

  • @ TOO: The script has not been broken down by a line producer yet to get an exact figure (mainly because it’s still in flux), but with the genre and the scope of the film you can generate a reasonable estimate by considering other similar films. We had hoped to get away with $100 million, but the script consultant really felt like $150 million was more likely.
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    We aren’t attempting to sell the movie by telling them how much we think it would cost. We’re letting them draw their own conclusions on that for now. We will eventually have a line producer break it down and get a solid figure, but that isn’t where the issues rest. I think it’s simply that a script that attempts to expand the parameters of a genre are risky and the film industry is expensive and failures are huge when they happen. The careers of studio heads rest on each film’s success or failure. It’s understandable for them to be fearful of risk. It’s also a really frustrating reality.

  • I agree with The Lone Scribe’s idea of keeping the original script and new script separate, and if that didn’t work we could always go with AndyBlooShoes’ idea of including the original script online after the film is released.
    Couldn’t you send the multiple versions of the script to Cyan, and ask their opinion?
    Just an idea. :)

  • Business sucks and your pain is understandable however don’t throw the BABY out with the bath water. Perhaps there is a market somewhere else for the compleat story. If you can tell the story on film and market your full work alongside win-win!
    I am astounded that the target is 120 pages. Keep pounding away. Take a break sometime and call.

  • I am a big Myst fan. Ever since I played the first game I was facinated by the graphics at that time. I had recently watched on You Tube a Mysy IV gameplay and it is like seeing a movie. I love the graphics and seem more real when you use live action people. Imangine if worlds like that actally exist?

  • myst fanaticreply

    There is only one thing i’m worried about with the whole “Hollywood adaption” thing. I feel confident that Adrian and Patrick aren’t going to let us down on the movie, and that it is going to be fantastically awesome. But I’m still confused as far as what the rating is going to be…. I remember that one crazy dude that wanted to make an rated R version of Myst, and that you guys banned him from the site (Thank the maker). But does anyone remember if Adrian and or patrick mentioned their goal as far as a rating?
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    Hollywood has got some serious problems. i am personally sick of all of the movies now a days being Rated R or PG 13 with horrible language or other innappropriate, offensive things. I want it to be clear that I trust Adrian and Patrick, but I just don’t want a masterpiece like Myst ruined because of some innappropriate material. Can anyone slap some sense into me…. PLEEEEEASE! ;)

  • Finished reading Myst: The Book of Ti’ana over the weekend for the first time. There were some really suspenseful moments in there. I hadn’t even realized how much I cared for the characters until the unfortunate events began to befall them. I’d say overall I really enjoyed it.
    myst fanatic: Adrian and Patrick are trying to stay true to the spirit of the story. There was some graphic violence in the novel, but I don’t think they should or would tone it down just to be “kid-friendly.” It’s a mature story, but I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Anyway, I’m off to read Myst: Book of Atrus now!

  • Well I just finished rereading all 3 Myst books last night. Man, there was a lot of stuff that I missed the first time around, especially in the Book of D’ni. :)
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    As far as a rating for the movie goes I’m pretty sure its gonna need to be a PG-13 movie. The contents not bad enough to earn an R rating, but its sure not friendly enough for a PG.
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    Rii: I guess your right. I guess I never really thought about it that hard before. A movie like Transformers would definitely have the funds to advertize LONG before the movie even comes out. :)
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    I never knew someone got banned from the site. really? All for saying it should be rated R? Did he go into detail like saying it should have intense love scenes and severed limbs? interesting…

  • It can be so hard to change something you believe in so strongly. But we all have great faith in you guys. Even with the changes we all know you will keep the true spirit of Myst alive. Worse case scenario, there are always DVD bonus features, deleted scenes, and a director’s cut.

  • Myst Fanatic: The movie will certainly not be ruined by modern Hollywood like that. Myst is far better than that. The only real gory part is when you know who (and I think they’ve changed it up a bit ;) ) is killed at the end. And with Ti’ana and Aitrus, they’re just going to show their hands and maybe their faces during Gehn’s conception, at least according to the animatic, haha. (No really…it’ll get a larger audience)
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    Blackmesaboy: He wasn’t banned because he wanted this movie to be R. He was going on for months about how this project was fake and how he was making a real one based on the Book of D’ni and that he was going to sue and it was going to be R…there’s even a post here titled “The Beast’s been Banned” somewhere. Ahhh good times haha

  • myst fanaticreply

    Andy: “And with Ti’ana and Aitrus, they’re just going to show their hands and maybe their faces during Gehn’s conception, at least according to the animatic, haha. (No really…it’ll get a larger audience)”…. That’s the only part I’m really worried about…. in movies, both good guys and bad guys get killed. I’m not worried about that. And, believe it or not, I am fully expecting this movie to NOT be completely “kid friendly”.
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    And I do trust Myst to withstand Hollywood, like you said. I trust Adrian and Patrick to make a great movie! And I am probably worrying about nothing, yet again. (*sometime while playing Myst: THIS HAS GOT TO MEAN SOMETHING! I’M MISSING SOMETHING IMPORTANT!!!! GAHHHH!!!!* :lol: ) But still….. I don’t know, to me stuff like that just isn’t appropriate to show in a movie. I think the movie will better without it to be perfectly honest…. Just skip over it, and no one will mourn it’s lost. Plus! that WOULD cut a couple seconds out of the movie…
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    Gah! listen to me rant. I’m done with this for now. But I am interested to hear what everyone else has to say! And, to reiterate: I trust in Myst, It’s fantastic, it will make a great movie. In my mind, the above mentioned scene would hurt more than help.

  • Hey, Adrian. I understand your frustrations, and I hear both sides of the argument. On the one hand, I find myself incredibly frustrated on the insistence on more action – I, personally, believe that audiences are intelligent enough to deal with a largely character-and-setting driven piece. On the other hand… people are stupid, and work has to sell. I am also trying to take heart in that there have been some recent movies which have successfully blended action with strong narrative – District 9 is the one which comes to mind immediately. That film had quite a lot of action, yet simultaneously addressed issues of race and class in South Africa while remaining an interesting science fiction film. Furthermore, it had truly wonderful development of character – Wikus is one of the most three dimensional people I’ve seen in fiction in quite a long time, flawed and yet very human. Perhaps you will be able to find a balance as well.

    In other news, I have a little anecdote to share with you (my usual too long, didn’t read sort of rant that I used to send by email). I’ve been quite busy with my life lately, trying to get myself into a graduate program. After many adventures, I wound up in Portland, Oregon, looking at a school with programs in Creative Nonfiction and Book Publishing. Whilst there, I stayed in a group house with three friends who I had never actually met in person, who I had only known for six months online (well, one I’d known for two years), who I had met through a sheer fluke. They turned out to be truly wonderful group of people, very supportive and fun to talk to.

    As it turns out, one of them shared my childhood love of Riven. She told me this before I left, and thus I packed away my old 5-disk set to bring with me. We both delighted over re-living childhood memories, clicking buttons, shouting “Whee!” when we got on the mag-lev.

    The next day we visited Powell’s, a huge bookstore in downtown Portland. I don’t recall how I found it – I think we were wandering the aisles aimlessly and I’d been actually looking for Dragonlance books. Either way, somehow I happened across a single copy of the Book of Ti’ana.

    It was an original edition hardback, and it looked like it had never been read. Opening it up, I discovered that Aitrus’ map was still nestled in the front, folded gently as if it had never been opened. I considered purchasing the book for myself, but instead pressed it into my friend’s hands.

    “Read this,” I said. “It’s wonderful. Not the best prose, but the story is lovely, and you’ll see what I’ve been babbling about these past few months.”

    Though I’m still jealous of that map, I do not regret letting my friend take that book, and I hope she enjoys it as much as I did when I read the paperback copy you sent me.

  • I would like to address the Hollywood-bashers. I work in Hollywood as my chosen career. I’m not a bigshot by any means, though I wish I was. Hollywood isn’t evil or stupid. Now, certain individual movies certainly can be terrible, but there is also wonderful cinema produced every year. Like everything, Hollywood is a business. We’d all like art to triumph over commerce, but that’s what independent cinema is better at. With an epic movie like this, you need money, and the producers want some assurances of a wide audience. More action isn’t necessarily a bad thing…it depends on the execution.
    The best example is Lord of the Rings. A fantasy world, grounded in reality, similar to the Myst series. Those movies have MUCH more action than the books. Whole action scenes were invented out of thin air. But what do die-hard LotR fans (like myself) think? They love the movies. They got the spirit, the message, the characters, and the tone all right. The action just made it more entertaining for the people who weren’t already converts. Same situation here. Don’t fear the “action.” Fear the thought of Myst never being made without it.

  • While other die-hard fans, like myself, think they got it all wrong on so many levels: the spirit, the message, the characters and above all the tone. Just sayin’. From all that you’ve been saying and from the way you’ve been saying it, however, I trust you guys more than I’ve ever trusted Peter Jackson.
    Here, however, one of my main concerns with ‘more action’ is that it’s stealing time from the already constrained plot.
    From my humble point of view as a fan with no artistic or business background whatsoever, I see the need for (increasingly) big budgets as an increasingly big issue for movies and videogames alike. For the latter, it’s reaching a critical mass and the future looks bleak unless solutions are found.

  • Without me reading any comment I would like to make one myself.
    If hollywood is about marketing, maybe one solution would be to market differently your current script.
    Apparently a dynamic story needs a background that someone must know in order to fully understand and appreciate it ,moving the action from the screen to the mind of the viewer. The lack of such action in the script means that you were working since the beginning with the hypothesis that viewers would be like-minded.
    But they are not and they need educational and informative aid to catch up with the rest of us :) .
    That is a great job for marketing! (And not the script cutters!)

  • @Ryan Davis: amen.

  • Ryan, I think the Hollywood bashers are leary of what the people at the top will do to the script, and I can’t say that I disagree with them. Why? It’s happened time and time again. Even a big player such as Dean Koontz knows that this is true. In the Q&A segment on his website, he answers one his reader’s letters by saying:
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    “I saw there will be a movie made of THE HUSBAND. Do you have reason to hope Hollywood will get it right this time? They’ve screwed up your stuff before, you know. –Ian, London
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    They have? They have screwed up film adaptations of my books? Really? What books? When? Who? Trixie is shaking her head. No, she says. No. She seems to be saying you’re wrong, Ian. She seems to be saying you’re thinking of another writer. I don’t recall any films ever being made from my books, especially not WATCHERS or HIDEAWAY or THE SERVANTS OF TWILIGHT. Trixie puts a paw on my arm and gives me a very solemn stare. She has a very commanding stare, a very deep stare. I feel so relaxed staring into Trixie’s eyes. I feel so at peace. No, Ian, you must be wrong. THE HUSBAND will be the first feature film ever made from one of my novels. And I’m very happy with the people who have acquired the rights. I have every reason to think this will be a brilliant film and that even if Hollywood had screwed up my films in the past (which seems to be your bizarre fantasy), this would make up for everything that went before. I’m dealing now with people of substance and taste. Don’t look for it in theaters next week, of course. They have to develop a screenplay –and these are people whose artistic aspirations are high–so THE HUSBAND won’t be in front of a camera for quite some time yet. But it now does seem as if I’ll live long enough to see a first-rate film based on one of my books.”
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    So, I guess, now, after so many years of him ignoring Hollywood’s call, I think he’s comfortable enough to let some of his works go into other medium, but I can bet you that he’s keeping a very close eye on the creative ends of the business. That’s my analysis anyway.
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    So there’s a great example of how Hollywood can screw up a person’s works. My advice to anyone who’s doing what the guys behind the Myst screenplay are doing are: Do not compromise with the creativity of your works, maintain full creative control, and it only takes on yes for every three dozen nos.
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    Personally, if your script is well over 300+ pages, I’d love to see it be done as a two parter a la Kill Bill. But I’ve said my peace. Sorry for the long post.

  • Well, at least this is still attempting to be faithful to the universe. Hell, I’d enjoy seeing what a Myst brand of action would be like.
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    Here’s an example of how NOT to do an adaptation movie: M. Night Shyamalan’s The Last Airbender.
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    The original animated series it was based on, Avatar: The Last Airbender, was set in a fantasy world based mostly on Chinese culture (architecture, written language, clothing, food, ethnicity) with some Inuit, Japanese, and Indian influences. The four element-manipulating Bending arts (Firebending, Waterbending, Earthbending, and Airbending) utilized four different styles of traditional Chinese martial arts (Northern Shaolin Kung Fu for Fire, Yang-style Tai Chi for Water, Hung Gar and Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu for Earth, and Bagua Zhang for Air).
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    The movie is still set in an Asian-influenced world, but the three main heroes, two Water Tribe siblings (dark-skinned Inuit) and an Air Nomad boy (Tibetan), are being played by a pale white girl, Jasper Hale from Twilight, and an “American Karate” star from Texas, respectively. All are white. Really white. And the villain who will later become an anti-hero, Fire Prince Zuko (Chinese/Japanese)? He was originally listed to be played by Jesse McCartney. But Dev Patel is ethnically Indian. And now it’s the pure white heroes facing off against the evil, ambiguously brown bad guys. And in the original, the Fire Nation was the palest-skinned. All this coming from an adaptation of a show about the fight against imperialism and racial supremacy. Hell, the show starts off by talking about the genocide of the Air Nomads.
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    Also, the four Bending arts are now: Taekwondo for Fire, Bagua Zhang for Water, generic American “Karate” gymnastics-stuff for Air, and Earth is currently unknown. I actually practice Northern Shaolin, the original Firebending, so I’m a little more peeved about this particular transgression than some others might be, but the point remains.
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    What was originally a show that was largely about racism has turned into a perfect example of racism.
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    This is why I hate Hollywood.

    Except for WB. They’re cool.

  • *sigh* i can’t even begin to imagine how you feel. I had read this a coupl of days ago and even a part of me died… and it’s been bothering me the last couple of days.
    i really want to know where people come up with this idea “oh it’s a video game movie it needs to be short and high on action and very unlike the source material, so people like it”. i actually don’t know anyone who likes it. Heck, “hollywoodize” is popularly synonymous to “making worse” …
    Why is Book of Ti’ana even being treated as a video game movie? it’s more like a jules verne novel, with a dash of sci-fi and fantasy, with a political intrigue (like “Rome” but with less violence, i’d say) and mainly a romance that breaks through racist barriers…
    how are they even planning on including more action, if what is there is already too much?

  • @Ryan Davis
    however, Lord of the Rings had 3 movies and went severely into overtime. They had the luxury of adding actionscenes and all.
    here we are talking about something of 300 pages that is being cut down to 120 pages and many of those 120 pages replaced by action…

  • @Crrash. You can be assured that BoT is not, and will not, be treated like a “video game movie.” We’ve always make it clear that this movie is based off a novel that was inspired by the video game. We are staying true to the story and feel of BoT but as you know, the magic that made Myst, Riven, and the others games so special lives on in the books as well, and will shine through in this film.

    The restructuring of the script may have some action added but as we said before it is not for the sake of action, every scene of action will also help to develop characters and move the story along in a way that we haven’t seen for years in a film. I’ve been so proud of our team as this moves along, the thought (and over thought haha) that has gone into every scene will impress and surprise everyone when the final product comes to theaters.
    Plus when it comes to action; what better setting than have it in D’ni, with it’s fantastical ages and the magic of Myst flowing from every scene? Ahh I CANT WAIT!

  • ThedStrangerreply

    I’m imagining of the day we’ll get a post called “pics of the new sets for d’ni”. AHHH!!! :D

    PS yeah I’m “the stranger” or “thestrangered” from earlier posts. Just trying new names :P

  • “Plus when it comes to action; what better setting than have it in D’ni, with it’s fantastical ages and the magic of Myst flowing from every scene?”
    Yeah, Myst is actually quite awesome when it comes to action, as long as it is balanced with realistic character’s and settings. Age flyby’s are basically short bits of awesome action, as well as some of the highlights of the various games (Riven intro [after Atrus' really really long talking-and-pausing-for-long-periods-of-time routine, which is good, but not that full of action], chasing the scribe, the trams, pretty much wherever Saavedro pops up, various parts of Tomahna [in Revelation - I don't want to spoil some of the spots], most of the game endings, etc.). Not only are all of these bits of action completely awesome, but many serve other purposes too (and serve them well). Some are just beautiful and awe inspiring, with a touch of atmosphere building (there are no other reasons to have Age flyby’s). Others help up understand characters or places (nothing could describe Riven’s politics and people better than that short intro), or advance particular plot points or suspicions. The action parts of Mystlike worlds work very well with the character development, plot, themes, etc.

    And also, they’re awesome to look at.

    :adrianface:

  • @Isaac
    yay, it’s just every so often i come here it sounds like producers and such are always negative about it because “most people have not played the video game”. Ah it’s always the fear when something as adapted to another medium, it gets all “dumbed down”.
    anyway, thanks for calming down yet another myst fan :P

  • Scott M. Brunerreply

    I have never had much faith in thinking this film would ever be made. Not on the scale you guys are talking, not like 20 years after people played the game (iPhone app excused.)

    The only way you make this film that way you want is if you finance it independently. In fact, it’s the *ONLY* way you get it made – after 10,000 rewrites/reconstructions, you will only be farther away from when Myst was considered a popular game/piece of fiction – and it will no longer be recognizable to you or the fans, and it will eventually be something else entirely.

    Think D&D movie. The Blair Witch Project Part 2: Book of Shadows.

    Your only bet is to abandon the Hollywood dream, find independent financiers and go that route. Unfortunately, in this economic climate it’s harder to find them, but they’re there. Think Clerks, Reservoir Dogs, The Blair Witch Project.

    Once you give up creative control, your dream is dead. And all the work you did was a waste. Anyway. I wish you luck, seriously. I love Myst, and I respect your efforts, but I never harbored an illusion a major studio would make it into a movie.

  • Well I’m not too concerned with the decision to add more action. Come on guys! Have faith! Do you really believe Adrian, Patrick, Jason, Yale, Issac and all the rest would fail to stay true to Myst?
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    And I’m a perfectly calm Myst fan. Peace, quiet, tranquility. :P But for everything else I’m an up-in-arms furious fan! I’m talking to you The Old Republic and Heroes! :(

  • @Scott: If you had read the post, major players ARE interested. All they want is for some changes so it will appeal to a larger audience than just us Myst wackos

  • Is there going to be a car chase through the streets of D’ni?

  • Hey, not all Myst fans are wackos. Well some of us might be…
    Well, a lot of us might be a “little” crazy…
    Or maybe a lot…
    Yeah…
    Anyway, thats not the point… Or is it?

  • Well I’m absolutely off the wall bonkers. Ok not really but i am kinda quirky. But I’ve learned long ago to use my “inside” uh, personality. :P

  • myst fanaticreply

    Me? A myst wacko? No way! I’m just very enthusiastic! (*slinks into room constructed to duplicate Atrus’ office in Exile*)
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    Speaking of myst awesomeness, the soundtracks to Riven and Myst are on the itunes now! I already had the soundtracks of course (And yes, i have them on my Ipod). But now all I need is the Revelations soundtrakc to finish the set! :) :D :lol: :patrickjudgingface: :adriandeadface: :ridiculous: :adrian2face: :adrianface: :lol:

  • @crrash: I wholeheartedly agree with your concept of what “Myst” should be (to me). I am a big fan of “Rome” and it was one of my strong influences while writing the script. Unfortunately, the budget required for a film of this nature just won’t allow us to focus on such a niche audience (and “Rome”, while popular, had a very niche audience). I hope to maintain as much of that same spirit as possible as we move forward. Hopefully, the new draft will satisfy those who like things like “Rome” and will also appeal to other audiences too.
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    @Scott Bruner: I don’t agree that studios would never make a “Myst” film. We’ve had a lot of interest from studios. In fact, everyone we’ve spoken to has been very excited when they hear the name “Myst”. The brand still has clout. That being said, I really wish it were a realistic option to go totally independent, but the chances are very slim. I can appreciate the idea. It is true that you have more creative control when you go independent, but the fact still remains that the budget required to bring “Myst” to life is astronomical by independent standards. All of the films you mentioned in your comment were very small films. Two were made for a little over $100,000 each. I’m not sure what the budget for “Reservoir Dogs” was, but I’m sure it wasn’t $150 mil. I’d guess it was $10 mil (at most). That is a huge difference. There are some investors out there that may be able to make that happen, but they are very difficult to find. Additionally, the notes that have led to the script changes are not all external. I am in the minority when it comes to resistance to a lot of these changes. I am also wildly attached to the original script because I wrote it. I trust my partners to take the reins and come up with new ideas that will be both true to “Myst” and also commercially viable.

  • If you’re going to make a Myst Movie, you might as well go all the way. I don’t think I would accept it if the budget was that of a “small film”. I trust the others to make good choices for the script. Adrian, just promise me that when all this is done you’ll make the original script avaliable to the public, it would make my world.

  • Mystfanatic: The Revelation soundtrack is very hard to come by, BUT you can get it off of Ubisoft. And I believe the only way to get there is through Mystjourney. haha

  • myst fanaticreply

    Andy: I know, I spent like a year visiting ebay, amazon, ubisoft; all of these sites that I prayed might have a copy of the soundtrack. when i last looked, ubisoft didn’t have any copies of the soundtrack :( *tear*. And any other copies I could find were being sold in england for some strange number of pounds. But since Cyan is starting to put the soundtracks on Itunes… maybe i’ll get lucky! here’s to hoping :)

  • Well if it’s Cyan putting them up then I doubt Revelation will go up since it belongs to Ubisoft. I went to Mystjourney though and then Ubisoft through its link in Revelation’s soundtrack section, and that’s how I got mine. When I tried searching for it on Ubisoft I couldn’t even find it. That’s too bad if they’re out of stock :(

  • The only place I know of where you can find the Revelation soundtrack is with the collectors edition, which you can find used on amazon.com UK. The Revelation soundtrack is the only one in the series I don’t have, better start thinking about getting it…

  • MYST Revelation and End of Ages are the hardest to come by.
    I’ve seen them mostly on eBay.co.uk site,why I dont know?
    But I have all the original copies.
    My Collection:—->http://s125.photobucket.com/albums/p41/ravingspawn/?start=all

    @MYSTERIACS FIM GROUP:

    Could we see at least one PIC of what your up to and doing?

    Thanks

  • Sure you can make it more mainstream (more action could be cool), but it’s keeping that essential spirit of MYST that really matters. Think of:
    Climbing up to the telescope in Stoneship
    Finally getting the animal slabs in the right order and gaining access to Tay
    Reading the Narayan writing on the cliffs in Amateria
    Traveling to the distant island in Spire
    Entering Kadish’s gallery for the first time
    Meeting Esher on the island in Laki’ahn

    …or the books, or Myst, or Relto, or…

  • @MystRiven, that’s a great collection you have there! I quick story of my favorite Myst merchandise. Back in 1997 when I first found Myst and Riven I became obsessed with the games, and when I found out there were books my brother and I ordered them right away. I was only 17 and all we could afford were the paperback copies but it didn’t matter to me, anything Myst was awesome! Anyway after waiting anxiously for a few days the package arrived. However, when we opened it we realized there had been an error in shipping, they had accidentally shipped hardcover first editions off all the books, and when we opened them they were all signed by Rand! We were freaking out but decided the right thing to do was call Cyan and let them know of the mistake, however, being the wonderful people they are Cyan told us to keep the copies and thanked is for our honesty. It may be a small thing but I’ll always remember how excited I was when we were able to keep them.
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    Sorry guys, just letting fanboy come to the surface :)

  • @MYSTRIVEN: OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get it all?!?!?! Thats the biggest collection of Myst stuff I’ve ever seen… There on the bottom shelf, the gold replica of that End of Ages stone, where did you get THAT? OMG…(A true Myst fan reaction) (Maybe)

  • If I recall he made that (if it’s The Tablet, I can’t see the pic now).

  • MYSTRIVEN: Holy Crap! Thats one hardcore Myst collection! I only have a fraction of that stuff! You are at the level every Myst fan hopes to one day arrive at. :)
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    They made an Atrus action figure!?
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    Isaac: Your so lucky! I wish that happened with my books. I found mine at a used book store with residue from old price stickers on them. :(

  • myst fanaticreply

    Mystriven: That was *sniff* BEAUTIFUL! By the maker, that has got to be hundreds of thousands of dollars of merchandise! You even have a Atrus bananna suit statue and an Saavedro statue! I was really young when all of the cool merchandise came out with the games, and I unfortunately wasn’t in any position to get anything… :( *tear* *starts sobbing into a pillow* I can never be called the myst fanatic again!
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    And Isaac, wow, what a lucky break! That is what comes from being honest. Man, I’m afraid I too am in Blackmesaboy’s boat…. But hey! I have the story still, and I love them! ;) :lol: :patrickjudgingface:

  • Matthew Hornbostelreply

    Hmm… Try to find the right concessions to make – do what you can to do what the studio tells you to do, in a way that retains the quality of the story.
    My suggestion – point out that the Lord of the Rings movies were 3-hour movies and HUGELY successful. Tell them to treat your movie like a LOTR movie; take your condensed script, extend it with 10 mins. or so of extra action which fits into the story well, and if (from there) you need to cut a few pieces of drama, do so, but do so while editing. (That is, shoot those scenes but don’t use them in postproduction) Then release and polish that material later on in an Extended Edition version of the film on a multi-DVD box set. Hollywood loves rereleasing things – tell them if you can’t have the material in the theatrical cut, that you’d like it in a later high-end DVD edition should the film do reasonably well at the box office. And whatever you do, as painful as it may be to watch the cutting process, DON’T walk out of the room while they hack your script to bits. They must edit it – there’s no way around that – but be there to ensure that the edits don’t completely ruin your story but just damage it moderately. Fight for your creative vision and make token concessions where needed – compromise with the studio enough to get a greenlight, but not so much that the movie is totally ruined by their butchering.

  • @ Isaac: Thanks…but 3 signed books…I only have one signed…Lucky B. ;)

    @Andrew: Also THanks, Collecting for 3-4 years, I also made all those replica’s.

    @blackmesaboy: They made lots of limited things also and hard to find like my RIVEN PIN.

    @myst fanatic: Lots of hundred dollars spent,that’s for sure. :/

  • Cant wait for the MYST Movie to come out because I’ll be the first to buy it. :)

  • MystRiven: Wow, that was truly humbling to see. You have a really awesome collection! Ummmm… if you find out that someone has made something related to the Myst franchise (and it’s something you don’t have), you’re not going to hunt them down…right?

  • I could & would if they have it for sale. :)

  • Unfortunately, Hollywood has this incredible ability to completely ruin great works of art. Sadly, society in general follows this trend because in modern times it has come to believe that it has the right to collectively determine what art should be. Art is supposed to be a reflection of the mind its creator, but today it is forced to reflect the unnatural views of society.

    I’m sad to hear your work has been similarly trashed by these alleged Hollywood experts. As you’ve undoubtable noticed, they are experts in making money, and are incapable of recognizing creative genius if it was sitting in front of them, which, apparently, it was.

    Don’t lose hope. I know you will not sacrifice the integrity of the Myst universe to appease some Hollywood blowhole. You will may find someone who will embrace it for what it is and I hope you do. However, it may just be that Myst is too good for Hollywood. Considering some of the moronic garbage that has been flooding movie theatres lately, I would not be surprised if this was the case. Hopefully someone will recognize it for the groundbreaking work that it was and still is.

  • Mystriven: Not selling- I guess that means I should hire a security guard ;-)
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    Oh and Happy Halloween everyone!!!!

  • It’s really disheartening that some consulter who’s probably never played a videogame in their life has the power to say “This script needs more action. There needs to be an obvious, blatant point to the story. Blah blah blah. Nobody is going to watch this just because it’s related to the game that put the CD drive on the map. I like chicken.”

  • Scott M. Brunerreply

    @Adrian; Thanks for the response. I went to film school (UB & SFAI) which is why I’m probably a bit more cynical than most about finding money for films – and why I think independent producers are the way to go. The thing that struck me, though, was the budget you’re talking for your film. Ok, I’ll buy that some producers showed interest – but at that price range for a 20-year-old game based on an incredibly esoteric premise? I quote the Fox, “I Want to Believe.”

    Again, my background just makes me chafe when I hear those figures. The films shown at the usual Hole in the Head fantasy film fest routintely come well under that, with production qualities far greater than some Hollywood films.

    Anyway – I could go on. I check your site often, because I admire your optimism, your commitment to my favorite video game of all-time, and your work in keeping the community involved. I’m telling you, though, give me your script, $50K, and some 16mm stock for my Bolex, and I’ll do it better’n'Warner could. :)

  • Scott: I can tell you that the interest has been rather high. Nobody seems to find the notion of a “Myst” film with what is now the average budget of a major motion picture is a ridiculous idea. It is a very recognizable property for many. You’d be surprised to know how many executives are not only familiar with “Myst”, but are also fans. Keep in mind, if there was a bidding war for the rights to “Asteroids”, it is not so odd that “Myst” could be of interest :) The book offers plenty of story and character with which to make a solid and commercially viable film.
    _
    Regarding the ability to shoot “The Book of Ti’ana” on $50k with a Bolex… That just isn’t possible… Even if you did use short-ends :)

  • If Tooth Fairy can be made into a movie (how the *heck* did they pitch that script??), then BoT can be made into a movie

  • Have you guys had other people besides your script consultant agree on the 100-150 million figure? When I see movies like District 9 being made for 30 million, with complex CGI action sequences, big explosions, and CGI aliens running around everywhere. The Book of Ti’ana features a bunch of people arguing in a cave. I’m obviously exaggerating here, but I think the point still stands. This book does not need a big Hollywood budget to be made into a movie.

    Honestly, I’d rather see this movie get made as a low-budget production with its script intact than an action-packed CGI extravaganza. Look at what they did with the Dune books on the SciFi channel. Cringeworthy CGI, and in the first miniseries, barely any CGI at all–the desert scenes are obviously in a soundstage–but it doesn’t matter because for the most part, they stayed true to the books.

  • Come on, a 100-150mil figure isn’t really an exaggeration or overestimate, I’d say it is fairly reasonable. Just because there isn’t an enormous amount of incidental laser beam, electric explody bits throughout the movie, there are quite a few huge cg shots- namely the great shaft building and falling apart bits, the various worlds explored, frequent vistas and environment shots of the cavern, the inkworks exploding and the civilization falling. Coupled with costume, sets, actors ect the 150mil figure really isn’t that overestimated. This needs to be a big epic to work properly, and that budget fits. Also, I don’t think we need to worry that much about Hollywood stuffing it up, I really think the plot and setting itself will carry it through, even if we do lose a few intricacies- I reckon going through the whole independent movie thing would screw it up a lot more than hollywood.
    Anyway I suppose any Myst Movie is better than no myst movie…
    (by the way I have been following this since 2008, I didn’t just randomly appear now, so hello everyone!)

    Anways good luck Patrick, Jason, Yale, Issac with the rewrites – and Adrian I really hope this works out for you :)

  • I’d agree with cougar here.

    Sometimes a movie can be too flashy and the feel can be lost in the process.

    On the other hand of course look at the fab effects in the last Star Wars movie (…the best yet ?)

    But then again…I also take the ” in a cave” point on board as well !

    ….now I feel all mixed up…time for a wee sit down and a rest……

  • It sounds like you guys have done well to please both hollywood and us myst fanatics. Adding action to a movie is not a bad thing when you add it well, and you did mention using it for character development and such. At the end of the day, when you have a film that is well done and widely appealing, spreading and recreating the popularity of myst among viewers everywhere, and still feels like myst and appeals to it’s hardcore fanatics, I see no problem. Everyone can win :) Also, I second the notion for having the full original script available…maybe a nice little easter egg on the dvd?

  • @Rebekah ‘Also, I second the notion for having the full original script available…maybe a nice little easter egg on the dvd?’

    That would be great!
    I suppose it would also negate copyright issues that would arise from releasing it onto the web…

  • Palomino…
    :adrianface: :)

  • I trust my partners to take the reins and come up with new ideas that will be both true to “Myst” and also commercially viable.
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    From the depths of my crystal firemarble (see pic), I foresee… success! After the initial disappointment given by this post, I still believe that if anyone can do it, you guys can. As always, best of luck.
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    ‘Also, I second the notion for having the full original script available…maybe a nice little easter egg on the dvd?’
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    That would be great. Or a printed copy bundled with the collector’s edition. Or, if it turns out to be a HUGE SUCCESS, even a standalone book could sell enough.

  • ^Yeah but that would take popularity away from the original book which everyone should really read.

  • Well, a movie’s going to do that anyway…
    I may be a little biased since the books aren’t available in my country to begin with, but I can’t see this scenario really hurting the original’s popularity.

  • laughingpineapple: What country do you live in?

  • myst fanaticreply

    Now, now…. I don’t think it is fair to say that the movie is just a bunch of people standing around in a cave! I mean, come on! what about all of the ages and the art, and the fantastically awesome architecture from the cave. Then you have the explosion at the ink-works, and the fall of D’ni (with all the undead-glowing-zombies! ;) ) with all the toxic gas. It just isn’t fair to say that it’s a bunch of people arguing, come on people!
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    but as far as your argument about the price, I do agree with cougar when he said that the budget will be lower than 30 mil…. Although, i would be curious to see just what Myst would look like with that big of a budget…. (*thoughtfull look…*)
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    Hey! I thought that we all agreed that the easteregg was going to be of Rand breakdancing in the writers guild… with a fire-marble-disco-ball. :) :lol:

  • Yeah, calling them cave people doesn’t really give the best impression to people, haha. Then again, I don’t know how else to convey how the D’Ni live!

  • ” Come on, a 100-150mil figure isn’t really an exaggeration or overestimate, I’d say it is fairly reasonable. Just because there isn’t an enormous amount of incidental laser beam, electric explody bits throughout the movie, there are quite a few huge cg shots- namely the great shaft building and falling apart bits, the various worlds explored, frequent vistas and environment shots of the cavern, the inkworks exploding and the civilization falling. Coupled with costume, sets, actors ect the 150mil figure really isn’t that overestimated. This needs to be a big epic to work properly, and that budget fits.”
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    Yeah. Although there isn’t a lot of shooting, fire, etc. there are lots of really amazing scenes. The great shaft (especially the earthquakes and such), all the buildings and scenes from D’ni – it’s all new, unique, and often subtle things (subtlety costs in CG/special effects/etc.). No matter what methods they use, they’ll have to be building lots of original props and scenes (because the costumes, buildings, and Ages are almost all D’ni). They’ll need designers for all of this, good actors (not necessarily famous ones), and lots of other various expenses. To get a good movie based on a bunch of complex characters set in an alien civilization based in a giant and complex cavern and a bunch of beautiful and interesting Ages on the side, along with deep themes including destruction of said alien civilization… an epic is a very logical choice. In many ways it parallels the LotR films. It’s based off a very famous classic, but few people tried or were able to develop it into a movie form before. It involves a completely different world, and is epic in scale (in its original form). Hopefully, the success in getting the LotR films through shows that the modern industry can handle this.
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    “(with all the undead-glowing-zombies! )”
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    Or maybe undead-sparkly-zombies :D
    :adrianface:

  • Gentlemen, it has been nearly a month. Are you alive, or were you devoured by Grues?

  • According to the two previous posts, I think they are going to update either today or tomorrow (maybe, but I really have no idea). Hopefully they’ve made a lot of progress.

  • “undead- glowing/ sparkly- zombies”
    Now you guys are insulting the undead community. They prefer the term “people- with- living- challenges” ;-)

  • How… the heck did I miss this for so long? Myst was my FIRST fandom when I was only 8 years old! I hand embroidered a Catherine/Katran outfit when I was 14: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27576298@N02/sets/72157622655854963/

    Yet I only find out there’s a Myst movie in the works NOW?! I’m a bad, bad fan.

    That said, you have no idea how giddy I am that this is happening (and envious as all get out that I’m not there myself shoulder to shoulder with you all helping… seriously, making a Myst movie = one of my biggest childhood dreams ^_^). I will forever be sad that the die hard fans are not enough to bear the cost burden of large scale productions as they are so narrow an audience, but I’m glad to hear you are all trying to find a way to negotiate the treacherous waters of Hollywood. I’ve gotten excited over so many projects in the past only to watch as they either get held back till they never see the light of day, get dumbed down till they aren’t worth it, or become something beautiful… only to not make financial ends meet and cost someone their job. I hope against hope you manage to find a happy balance that will introduce this wonderful series to fans just waiting to discover it while thrilling the old ones alike.

    Just a thought, someone mentioned the Lord of the Rings… don’t suppose there’s any chance that you could do a hyped up version of the film that a general audience will love while being able to sneak in filming of wonderful character scenes that would be slipped into a epic director’s cut much like LotR?

  • Is it Patrick’s birthday today? UO says it is, on the other hand the stuff I put in his siggy last year when he put in the wrong birthday is still there so I’m not sure he ever changed the date. Hmmmmm…

  • “Gentlemen, it has been nearly a month. Are you alive, or were you devoured by Grues?”
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    Maybe they’ve been struck dead by lightning and devoured by evil monkeys from outer space.
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    Now you guys are insulting the undead community. They prefer the term “people- with- living- challenges”
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    “living impaired – sparkly – life challenged persons”
    :adrian2face:

  • Yes.. it’s very much time for an update. If you haven’t got anything important then just give us your favorite cookie recipe or something and then finish with.. ‘oh, and we’re still working on the script’.

  • Rel.to is updating faster than you guys…

  • And then we’d spend forever wondering whether the ingredient measurements were coordinates for a location in D’ni or for Earth, and whether the cooking was hinting at using binary code. ;)

  • With thy godly power, I comand the Mysteriacs to update!
    Or else…

  • ~~~~laughingpineapple Live in Milano Italy.

    The book of Atrus/ Ti’ana/ D’ni where translated in French,German & Spanish, No other translations known to date…….still looking though. :)

  • MYSTRIVEN got it right :) We’ve got the games… translated… poorly (as in, entire phrases cut out)… and that’s it. I believe that not even the official guides were translated.
    That and a tiny, lovely community. Very tiny and very lovely.
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    Clyde Craft, you’re an embroidering genius. Consider yourself envied for that outfit. *_*
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    @ sparkly [generic politically correct term for zombies]: weren’t vampires becoming sparkly enough lately? Now there’s [generic politically correct term for zombies] too? What’s next, ninjas? Pirates?

  • I remember the game Myst. That was an awesome game. I hear they have it in 3D now (like a FPS without the shooting)

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